#HeforShe for Vets

If you have been on the internet in the last few days then you’ve seen Emma Watson’s inspiring and poignant speech in her new role as a goodwill ambassador for UN women. In her speech she calls out for men to take up their end of the bargain in the fight for female equality and empowerment. It’s an inspiring speech and if you haven’t seen it yet, you can watch it here. After signing up to the #heforshe pledge I started thinking to myself what role sexism played in my life and I kept coming back to my place as a future veterinarian.

 Anybody in vet school across the world can attest to the fact that more females are entering the profession than ever before. In my class alone, 85% of the students are female, and this is universal across western countries with a similar trend across the rest of the world. This is in stark contrast to the male-dominated profession that has been the norm historically. There are a whole assortment of theories as to why this is the case, and these range from increased academic commitment of females to more males pursuing high-income professions. In the end though the ‘why’ isn’t the important part, it’s how it’s approached which is the issue.

 I remember that in my first years of vet school, on visits to clinics in regional Australia, that I was treated differently to the female student I conducted the visits with. It wasn’t every clinic, and it certainly wasn’t every vet, but it was enough to be noticed. Comments like ‘Geez it’s great to see some male vet students coming through’ were fine – we are definitely few and far between! It was comments like ‘you had better pull this calf instead’ (when my partner had grown up on a dairy farm and was definitely far better at pulling calves than I was -and still is) that really stuck out. When it REALLY got uncomfortable was when I heard numerous theories about the failure of the profession due to there being too many women unable to run businesses. As a young student I listened to these comments come from good vets, employers, pillars of their communities, and I found it more perplexing

 The two main reasons that are given for why male vets are better are that they are better at relating to farmers (majority male), and that they are better suited to physical work with large animals. After half a decade of spending time with vets, and most of my life dealing with farmers I can tell you that the farmers who don’t like dealing with female vets are the farmers who have never dealt with a female vet. Beyond heading to the same bathroom at the pub on a Friday there’s very little that male vets have more in common with male farmers than female vets. Female vets play sport, drink beer, don’t mind getting dirty on a hard days work, and love the land every bit as much as male vets. The only issue you might come across is if you complain about missing the latest episode of the Bachelor, but that has nothing to do with your gender, and everything to do with your taste in TV.

As for the physical work with large animals, there’s really only one thing to say, and I’ll pose it as a question: What’s an extra 15 kilograms to a 1 tonne bull?

Despite this I still come across, and will continue to come across, sexism in the vet profession. As a male I am more employable, can earn more money (mean salary in the US is $112,000 compared to $88,000 for females – much lower for both in Australia), and am more likely to enter into a practice partnership or ownership. All of this is despite the fact that there are plenty of females in my course who will make better veterinarians than I could ever hope to be. It’s because I’m a male, and it’s because of inequality

As a profession we’ve come a long way from Belle Bruce Reid, the first female veterinarian to graduate from Melbourne University in 1906, but we’ve still got a long way to go. As Emma said in her speech “if not me, who? If not now, when?” So, what are your plans for combatting inequality in the vet profession?

16 thoughts on “#HeforShe for Vets

  1. I don’t want to sound sexist, but I wanted to impart some experiences I have had. I am a male vet. I have spoken to many of my female colleagues, and asked if they would ever want to join a practice as a partner / own a practice. 10 out of the 12 I have asked have told me no, and the other two were on the fence. Two have told me directly they want to raise a family instead.

    The epidemiologist in me wonders if you control for the higher number of practice owner male vets (which tend to have higher income), would the salary gap still be as large. Don’t get me wrong; I still expect that gap to still exist even if controlled for, and that is acceptable. Why would a male vet get paid more for the same job as his female counterpart?

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    • Hi Marc,

      You raise some good points and I definitely agree that they are huge factors in the disparity we see. Another aspect is the fact that the vets who have the most experience in advanced specialist roles and the like tend to be older, and by extension, male.

      In writing the article I definitely removed my analytical hat a little bit, but most of what I would say can be found in the AVA workforce survey from last year so I didn’t want to weigh it down. What seems strange is that there does seem to be a purely sex-driven effect in wage disparity when corrected for experience. As you said: “why would a male get paid more for the same job as his female counterpart?”

      Unfortunately the wage difference does exist for many people, and although there are plenty of employers to whom this wouldn’t apply there are some that it does – and that’s the place where we need to try to change things…

      I also think it’s a wider societal issue that we need to consider is why women are less likely to want to take ownership of a practice – apart from the desire to start a family.

      Thanks for reading and commenting, it’s great to have a response from a male vet!

      Zach

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  2. I don’t think that raising a family should be the reason why women are not taking partnership roles. I am female. I will be a vet. I want a family but maybe I’d like to aspire to continue and develop my career simultaneously. I am glad you are noticing the differences and thinking about this. It is really important that the veterinary profession continues to push for gender equality in its work.

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    • It’s as more and more people join the profession that have this attitude that we get change, so stick by your goals and you’ll be able to get there. Any challenges you face will be easier for those who come after you.

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    • I like your optimism sophieaj, but unless you have a partner/husband who is willing to put his/her career on hold, or you are comfortable with long (and often impossibly incompatible) daycare hours, this is still the decision FAMILIES face, and women are usually the ones who usually choose to delay or alter career plans. This is not a women’s issue, its societal.

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  3. Zach
    I think there are bigger problems facing the profession than just the pay gap. If i look back at the graduates from my year (2005) where we had around an 85% female year group, a large proportion of these female graduates have left the work force to start a family. Some of these people have returned to the work force but mainly in part time roles. I fully support these women in their choice to raise a family as there is no more important job in the world than to be a parent. However from the point of view of the profession it creates a huge dilemma especially for the coverage of after hours service. I work in a large animal and equine practice and after hours work is a recognised part of the role. This after hours work does not fit as well with the parental role required of a part-timer who is raising a family (often as a second supplementary household income earner) compared to a full timer.

    From the point of view of an employer and a business man I try to pay staff based on their turnover (irrespective of sex), however when factoring in a wage there has to be an account taken of the inconvenience of after hours work (even if this is not generating business turnover). I suspect that another error in the wage gap stats will likely be that more males in the profession will be performing out of hours work more frequently than his female counter-part (who are also more likely to be performing part time work) and so command a higher wage.

    I agree with Marc also on the reluctance of females to become partners in practices. From my year group (not a perfect study sample but probably reflective enough of the veterinary world) there are more male partners than females yet the males only made up 15% of the year group.

    Is there a bias against female vets – potentially – I certainly notice that female graduates seem to have to prove themselves to clients more before being accepted than their male counterparts, but there is certainly a personality component to this at well (irrespective of sex) and the art of veterinary medicine of putting a client at ease. Do I have a bias towards employing male vets – who knows what my unconscious bias is when reading CV’s, but it would appear not on paper, given that the only males in the clinic are the partners (5 vets) and the remaining staff (vets (full and part timers), nurses, receptionists, practice manager) are all female though you could argue that this is solely due to the current male:female proportions of the profession.

    From an partners perspective looking long term you need to have an exit strategy and someone to sell you partnership to – sadly this puts a bias towards a male worker rather than a female – is this correct – probably not – is this practical from a business sense – potentially.

    I think given another 10 years the profession demographic will be so biased towards females (as the current older and more male vet population retire) there may have to be a big culture and attitude change to the way practices are staffed and after hours roles are covered. I have no idea what this is but I suspect that the choices that will have to be made will be out of necessity rather than choice as the status quo is unlikely to continue.

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    • Those are all factors that are definitely at play, and as you said in the last part – things are changing and we need to adapt to make the profession more accessible to people (male or female) who decide to raise a family.

      I think a lot of the issues we face as veterinarians are just a mirror of the rest of society – why is it that it is more accepted for women to work part time to raise a family, why are men more likely to go back to work faster than their partners? There are factors such as earning potential at play here, which only serve to strengthen the argument. There are arguments about biology by some people but even if you take all of that into account we are still left with differences in acceptance of female vets by clients and employers. As you said, the profession is changing rapidly and we need to have serious discussions to work through how to make the profession better for women and ultimately more sustainable.

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  4. Great post. I would add as a female student with a child and one on the way, I often feel limited in my options. While yes, I am torn by my family obligations and career aspirations, it is more that I feel potential employers will look down on me purely because I have a family. I hope to go onto residency and would like to have my own practice in the future. I don’t think this is necessarily and issue for male vets who also have a spouse and children. I’ve had my undergraduate adviser (who was a practicing female vet with a family) tell us *females in the class* to not go to an vet school or job interview with a engagement/wedding ring on or express a desire for family/children, etc because it will give the impression we were not “dedicated” to the profession. Again, I don’t think this is even something that male vets have to even consider whether they are part of that category or not.

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  5. Im more just reeling at the $112000 mean US male salary for vets than anything else. That’s just under twice what I get as an 12 year qualified rcvs cetificated specialised vet in the UK!

    So location is still far more important than sex…

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  6. Marc, I don’t know Australia or the US&A very well but I have experience from several European countries and from some in the middle east. You say the answer your female colleagues gave you was “no, I wanna raise a family”. The solution to that is the right to a longer paid maternity leave and available kindergardens/preschool. In that way you don’t force the women to choose between career and family. I have my own practice, I have two children and I stayed home with both of them 10 months each while still getting paid. Then they went to kindergarden/preschool (4 days a week) before they started school. This is accepted very well by most men and women where I come from. We even have mandatory paternity leave.
    We have the salary gap between male and female in Norway as well, this is something we have to work with. But the possibility to go for both family and career is bigger when the social security system makes it possible for the mothers to have children and work at the same time. Paid maternity/paternity leave and kindergardens are major parts in the solution. And both men and women must be positive to employing fertile women.
    For the record: I do both small and large animals.

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  7. My male employer told me that all females who work for our practice should be speyed, and also commented to one of the nurses that females are useless because they just get pregnant. After working with this kind of attitude for 9 years you start to believe that you are a lesser person and don’t believe that you could ever become a partner, especially with the likes of people like this guy.

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  8. Hi Zack, Jo from the UK here!
    I’m looking into doing a research project into sexism in veterinary medicine as personally I’ve had some pretty pooey attitudes to my sex (combined with my height/size)- One farmer wouldn’t let me onto his farm until I’d completed a weight lifting exercise. Another was heard commenting to his son as I arrived that I’d be useless as I was too small and a female to boot. Proud to say he was pretty impressed with me by the end and small stature meant small hands for his precious sheep! Another farmer I came into contact with was hugely sexist, but only benevolently- he’d often comment on my boobs, bum, and skill, saying ‘girls are always better on a farm because they care so much’. Although I didn’t mind at the time, I’ve since discovered that benevolent sexism has been shown to be more harmful to a woman’s prospects than hostile sexism!

    But anyway, just writing my project proposal and came across your article- interested to see it’s a worldwide problem!

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